Posted by: Joe of St. Thérèse | July 3, 2008

going out of turn….comments in purple

disclaimer: Harsh language shall be used in portions of this…also, this is merely criticism of Sen. abomination, this is NOT promotion of him, however there’s a link just to show I don’t make this stuff up)
BARACK OBAMA ON FAITH (This is going to be interesting, lol)

Key values (he forgot to put the quotation mark around values, so here you go “values”) in Barack Obama’s public statements on faith and politics

God is constantly present in our lives (Sen Obama: So God is constantly present in our lives? I happen to agree, so this means that God is present in EVERY PERSON right? ), and this presence is a source of hope. (Too bad you killed that hope for defenseless babies, and those who survive abortions)
“Hope in the face of difficulty, hope in the face of uncertainty, the audacity of hope: In the end, that is God’s greatest gift to us (Sen Obama: I would have sworn God’s greatest gift was himself in the Eucharist, but you’re “Protestant” so you don’t quite understand that, so i’ll speak to something that you can understand…Without LIFE you have NOTHING, that is a gift right? Unfortunately there are 50 million babies and counting that don’t have the opportunity for this gift of life AND you want to kill those who survive abortions, so much for “hope”), the bedrock of this nation, a belief in things not seen, a belief that there are better days ahead.”(Not if you’re president) – Democratic National Convention Keynote Address.
Progressives should boldly approach matters of faith and values.

“[I]f we truly hope to speak to people where they’re at (so you assume I’m an idiot, good to know) – to communicate our hopes and values in a way that’s relevant to their own (I really don’t care about my values, what about God’s? Are they not the most important?) – then as progressives, we cannot abandon the field of religious discourse…Because when we ignore the debate about what it means to be a good Christian or Muslim or Jew; when we discuss religion only in the negative sense of where or how it should not be practiced (Sen. Obama: That’s because practice and obligations are one in the same. To practice one’s religion would be to adhere to whatever their religion holds as Truth. In the case of being a Christian, I’d have to say that means holding to EVERYTHING the CATHOLIC CHURCH teaches), rather than in the positive sense of what it tells us about our obligations towards one another…others will fill the vacuum, those with the most insular views of faith, or those who cynically use religion to justify partisan ends. (Or those who use religion to justify moral evils right?)” – Call to Renewal Keynote Address

“Our failure as progressives to tap into the moral underpinnings of the nation is not just rhetorical, though. Our fear of getting “preachy” may also lead us to discount the role that values and culture play in addressing some of our most urgent social problems (Sen, you’re making me laugh, every thing’s related what you practice is related to how you treat others in the public square).” – The Audacity of Hope.
As Joshua built on the work of Moses, leaders of today – the ‘Joshua Generation’ – must build of the foundation of previous generations to move our nation forward (Sen, I didn’t know you had degree in Theology, let’s listen to this).
“The final thing that I think the Moses generation teaches us is to remind ourselves that we do what we do because God is with us. You know, when Moses was first called to lead people out of the Promised Land…the Lord said I will be with you. Throw down that rod. Pick it back up. I’ll show you what to do. The same thing happened with the Joshua generation.
Joshua said, you know, I’m scared. I’m not sure that I am up to the challenge. The Lord said to him, every place that the sole of your foot will tread upon, I have given you. Be strong and have courage, for I am with you wherever you go. Be strong and have courage. It’s a prayer for a journey (Allow me to help you, are you promoting Liberation Theology? Because if you are, that’d be an incorrect understanding). A prayer that kept a woman in her seat when the bus driver told her to get up, a prayer that led nine children through the doors of that Little Rock school, a prayer that carried our brothers and sisters over a bridge right here in Selma, Alabama. Be strong and have courage.” -Address to Brown Chapel A.M.E. Church, Selma, Alabama, on the Anniversary of Bloody Sunday.

Faith should not be used as a wedge to divide.

“We think of faith as a source of comfort and understanding but find our expressions of faith sowing division (Sen: get yourself a copy of Spe Salvi and talk to me after you’ve read the portion dissecting Heb 11, 1); we believe ourselves to be a tolerant (tolerance does not mean justifying evil) people even as racial, religious, and cultural tensions roil the landscape. And instead of resolving these tensions or mediating these conflicts, our politics fans them, exploits them, and drives us further apart. (duh, consequence of Original Sin)” – The Audacity of Hope.

“Well, I say to them tonight, there’s not a liberal America and a conservative America (bullshit)– there’s the United States of America. There’s not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America (Bull shit once again) – there’s the United States of America. The pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red

States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I’ve got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God (yes, one that thinks shedding of innocent blood is a abomination (Prov 6, 16-17)) in the Blue States, and we don’t like federal agents poking around our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States and have gay friends (yes, and we’d be better friends by helping them get over their SSA) in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and patriots who supported it. We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America. (Interesting to hear so called patriotism when you won’t even do that for the very same pledge of allegiance)” – Democratic National Convention Keynote Address.

The separation of church and state is critical and has caused our democracy and religious practices to thrive (Which is exactly why anti-Catholicism is a legalized form of discrimination? If you make fun of a white person, you’re a racist, if you make fun of a Catholic, you’re applauded, interesting).
“[Conservative leaders] need to understand the critical role that the separation of church and state (exactly, the one that’s NOT in the Constitution as practiced in America today? The only separation of Church and State in the Constitution is that of the State can’t have an established religion and the Church shouldn’t govern the State) has played in preserving not only our democracy, but the robustness of our religious practice. Folks tend to forget that during our founding, it wasn’t the atheists or the civil libertarians who were the most effective champions of the First Amendment. It was the persecuted minorities (persecuted far from it, the Catholics were the one’s being persecuted, you’ve been too busy reading the PC version of history), it was Baptists like John Leland…It was the forbearers of the evangelicals who were the most adamant about not mingling government with religion, because they did not want state-sponsored religion hindering their ability to practice their faith…(may be the ONLY thing you’ll get right in this piece)” – Call to Renewal Keynote Address

We are a nation of many faiths and of those with no faith at all. The religious practices of all must be respected. (Of course, but by the principle of contradiction, someone has to be right (i.e. the Catholics) and someone else must be wrong (everyone else)…I will not respect the religion of Obamaism)

“Given the increasing diversity of America’s population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation (last I checked, Christans were still the MAJORITY, but then again, I could be wrong, I just highly doubt it); we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers. (no, you mean believers by convenience, lol)” – Call to Renewal Keynote Address

Faith is a source of action for justice (for everyone, including babies that are unborn).

“Imagine Lincoln’s Second Inaugural Address without reference to “the judgments of the Lord.” Or King’s I Have a Dream speech without references to “all of God’s children. (INCLUDING THE UNBORN, as they are GOD’s Children as well (ref Jer 1, 5)” Their summoning of a higher truth helped inspire what had seemed impossible, and move the nation to embrace a common destiny.” – Call to Renewal Keynote Address
“We should never forget that God granted us the power to reason so that we would do His work here on Earth – so that we would use science to cure disease, and heal the sick, and save lives. (which includes the un-born)” – World AIDS Day Speech: Race Against Time

“Pastors, friends of mine like Rick Warren and T.D. Jakes, are wielding their enormous influences to confront AIDS (You’re not going to defeat AIDS by handing out condoms ;)), Third World debt relief, and the genocide in Darfur. Religious thinkers and activists like our good friend Jim Wallis and Tony Campolo are lifting up the Biblical injunction (Liberation Theology is just plain stupid) to help the poor as a means of mobilizing Christians against budget cuts (which is exactly what’s going to happen when you have the government sponsor EVERYTHING, budget cuts) to social programs and growing inequality (There will ALWAYS be inequality, period, reason being men and women are different by their very natures, however equal in the eyes of God, but not designed to do the same functions, equal doesn’t necessarily mean being the same. Eg: F = ma is not true, centripetal force, centrifugal forces are 2 of many examples that contradict that equation, (Newton’s 2nd Law, is properly written a = F/m)…Across the country, individual churches (you mean eccesiatical community,lol) like my own and your own are sponsoring day care programs, building senior centers, helping ex-offenders reclaim their lives, and rebuilding our gulf coast in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.” – Call to Renewal Keynote Address

Government alone cannot solve all of our problems (no shit) – we have an individual responsibility to be our brother’s keeper and our sister’s keeper (duh)
“And although government will play a crucial (lol, no, it shouldn’t) role in bringing about the changes we need, more money and programs alone will not get us where we need to go (then, why have the government sponsor so much?). Each of us, in our own lives, will have to accept responsibility – for instilling an ethic of achievement in our children, for adapting to a more competitive economy, for strengthening our communities, and sharing some measure of sacrifice (this sounds socialistic in nature, and that’s wrong. If you’re going to give it should be out your own heart, not because the government made you). So let us begin. Let us begin this hard work together. Let us transform this nation. (by not voting for you, absolutely :))” – Presidential Announcement Speech


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